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Piotr Pachota's avatar

This is what happens in a civilization where having children ceases to be a social norm women must conform to.

I acknowledge the huge physical cost of pregnancy, but I don't think that the only reason women ever got pregnant and had children was male oppression - it was conforming to the social norm of having children. And this norm was not a product of male oppression - it's a result of a cultural evolution that allowed sustaining and growing our civilization. As evo psychs say: civilizations without social norms forcing women to have children might have existed in the past - but they are not our ancestors. If we don't change anything, the western civilization will be outpopulated by more fertile civilizations, and with that, our progress in gender equality and human rights might be lost.

Women are especially hardwired to follow social norms, which leads them to having children in a healthy society. I witnessed that firsthand: my wife's desire to have a first child was correlated with seeing her friends and family have them around the age of 30. Now, as many of them are having their second children, the idea of us having a second child comes up more and more often.

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Oldman's avatar

Interesting article, but everything is simply exaggerated here. Trust me, it is not my brain thinking my balls or something. Instead of asking you the price of childbirth or your readers, we may try to ask the market. Surrogacy can cost quite of lot, but with some quick google searches it seems that we have between 50k and 100k for the surrogacy compensation+contingent fees (not including legal or fertility stuff). https://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/family-finance/articles/how-much-surrogacy-costs-and-how-to-pay-for-it. So the number you give do seem to be too high. But to be fair, this the price to pay someone who is willing to do it (probably the women that have easy pregnancies?) and may not have better marketable skills.

For the « after child part », it is more complicated but numbers seem to high here too. But the number does not matter, the ones that are having the kids are not really counting that kind of stuff. It’s all about culture anyway, and western culture does not cultivate self-sacrifice, courage, strength and thinking that people with no children are weirdos/losers.

We should just look at Israel and discover what they are doing, even educated secular women have a good fertility rate there. It is possible to have a fairly liberal society and somehow have women make a sufficient amount of baby

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